Table of Contents
- QUESTIONS & ANSWERS
- Borax Background
- Abdominal Pain, Bloating
- Athlete's Foot
- Bald Spots
- Borax Baths
- Borax Dosages
- Borax for Children
- Borax Pentahydrate Vs Borax Decahydrate
- Borax Shampoo
- Boric Acid Vs Borax
- Brain Fog, Lupus
- Diluting Borax
- Foot Odor
- General Feedback
- Healing Properties
- Mycobacteria Infection
- Rough Feet
- Severe Pain, Arthritis, Libido
- Ted's Borax Feedback
- Where to Buy Borax: Australia
- Where to Buy Borax: India
- Where to Buy Borax: Ireland
- Where To Buy Borax: Malaysia
- Where to Buy Borax: Thailand
- Where to Buy: Internet
Last Modified on Apr 04, 2014<< Continued from page 5
[SIDE EFFECTS] 04/15/2009: Dave from Surrey, BC: "I slowly went from 1/32 teaspoon to 1/4 teaspoon dose borax to remove fluoride from the body. I quit after about 2 days on the 1/4 teaspoon dose. I mixed it properly in pure water according to the directions that I found here. I had to go off of the borax due to aches and pains in the testicles, kidneys, and head. I was very frightened, especially about that kidney pains. Unfortunately, the pains indicated damage. I now, months afterwards, have pain in the kidneys every day, and I have actually LOST almost all of my sex drive. The pains indicated damage that seems permanent. Being prediabetic, perhaps I shouldn't have risked kidney damage!!!! But I miss my sex drive more. It's gone, and borax is not only as toxic as salt to me. Not by far."Replies
04/15/2009: Ted from Bangkok, Thailand replies: "This is not the correct way to do it. The proper method is to dissolve the borax 1/32 teaspoon to 1/4 teaspoon in ONE LITER of drinking water and drink throughout the day. It was not designed to take in pure powder form, usually to rid of autoimmunity disease or a known fluoride poisoning. In rabbit test the dose is roughly lower than this concentration to protect against fluoride poisoning when they added lethal dose of fluoride.
04/15/2009: Ted from Bangkok, Thailand replies: "A woman's dose is 1/8, a man's dose is 1/4 dissolved in one liter of drinking water. I can't say much about this poster since sufficient details are not mentioned, except for the fact that he's prediabetic, which borax has a tendency to normalize blood sugar. So I find this posting fishy on many points. A lot of people through private emails actually take a much larger dose that this.
Loss of sex drive has never been reported except for fluoride. Most report an increase in sex drive. Most of the problems reported are associated with boric acid, not borax because boric is acid. Acid eats up kidney, whether it's boric acid or acid forming foods in general.
So I have many regrets on this email. A genuine poster would also email directly to me before posting them and give sufficient details. An intentionally fake poster will report unusual side effects, lacking in sufficient details, on Earth Clinic without telling me. So you can see why I find this a suspicious post.
EC: We had emailed Ted for more thoughts about this post. The above is his 2nd response...
06/21/2010: Jgrau from Coquitlam, Bc replies: "This is a response to "David from Surrey, BC". And it is important for anyone trying Borax as a remedy.
No male should ever expose themselves to Borax or Boric Acid. David's symptoms (testicle and kidney atrophy) are classic case of Boric Acid poisoning -- just a few weeks of daily exposure to Borax is known to cause testicle atrophy and sterility in dogs and is suspected in sterility of humans that work with the chemical. It also damages kidneys and to lesser extent the liver. Please, people do not even let Borax touch your skin if you're a male. Look it up on Google and you'll find articles like http://www.peopleforcleanbeds.org/boric_acid_risks.htm
While there is a threshold below which Borax is fairly safe, if you go over that threshold it is quite dangerous. The threshold is very dependent on body weight -- definitely don't let Borax anywhere near an infant or a pregnant woman. So there certainly may be people who use it without noticeable adverse affect, it is not worth it to have some people seriously injured by it -- it is dangerous advice.
I understand your suspicion of flouride, but then you should be suspicious of all environmental chemical exposure -- why are you exposing yourself to a chemical with more proven risk than flouride?"
07/30/2010: Robin from Chicago, Il replies: "Response to "Jgrau from Coquitlam, Bc"
Clearly, you have NOT read anything on this Web site regarding the differences between "boric acid" and "borax". They ARE NOT the same!! One is acid aka boric "acid", and one is alkaline - borax. Even the Web site you noted states "boric acid". COME ON, PEOPLE. TAKE THE TIME to "READ". This is a forum for sharing experiences, not one in which to exhibit your shortcomings... Furthermore, boric acid IS used medicinally, often for women who do not respond to conventional therapy for yeast infections. It is put into a capsule, placed into the vaginal canal, and actually works very well."
[SIDE EFFECTS] 09/19/2010: Miroslav from Prague, Czech replies: "According to Wikipedia "Borax is also easily converted to boric acid and other borates, which have many applications. Its reaction with hydrochloric acid to form boric acid is: Na2B4O7·10H2O + 2 HCl --> 4 B(OH)3 [or H3BO3] + 2 NaCl + 5 H2O"
There is enough HCl in our stomach so I expect borax is being converted into boric acid inside. Borax is not as rich in boron as boric acid is. Therefore I undestand receiving borax is equivalent to receiving lower doses of boric acid. I'm on day 5 of 1/4 teaspoon of borax solution daily (against mites) and my testicles started to hurt. Sometimes also feeling presence of my kidneys now. I'm terminating the remedy and hoping there was no irreversible damage made."
09/20/2010: Ted from Bangkok, Thailand replies: "If the concern of borax or borates is converted to boric acid, then just add 1/2 teaspoon of baking soda in case the hydrochloric acid of the stomach should convert to boric acid. Also stomach acidity varies greatly throughout the day. It is very high before meals, but is very low acidity after meals. Therefore this can be taken after meals, or before sleep. If kidney problem does occur, simply discontinue them until it does get better. To neutralize any borax negative effect, I usually take magnesium chloride drops and just skip a week or at least three days, allowing the body to get rid of excess borax from the body. Most lower back pain I have found turns out also taking excess calcium and not enough magnesium also.
Yes, I do receive emails of testical pain from taking borax from a few men. I got one person from Vietnam who is an earthclinic reeader and came to Bangkok on a tour packaged, and managed to find time to see me about his hair loss condition. He mentioned that taking borax did cause his testicular pain, but that went away because he masturbated. Apparently what I found was borax caused the pain from higher sperm volume and sperm count and as resulted the masturbation reduced that and made him feel more like a man. In other words more sexually responsive (getting it up) when having sex. It's the viagra effect for people who have low male hormone levels. Apparently, this particular person thought not masturbating was a normal thing because he had no desire, and got used to that line of thought. The borax remedy made him change some behavior to masturbate at least weekly, as he reports of much larger sperm volume he never he had it before. It should be noted that if person does not wish to masturbate at least weekly or need to abstain from sex, then borax is clearly not good.
The other problem concerning borax used is it's tendency to make women get pregnant too easily. If people do not wish to conceive, and have unprotected sex, you get pregnant much more easily. I have over four cases here in Bangkok of women becoming pregnant from taking this, but luckily most of them are married, or wish to have a child, so they were happy. One has been struggling to have a child for 10 years and got pregnant in just 1 month after taking the supplements. It seems it increases women's fertility and men's fertility also, through increasing sperm count and sperm volume. Therefore borax is not something a person will use if that person does not wish to have a child or requires sexual abstinence. The opposite is also true."
09/21/2010: Miroslav from Prague, Czech replies: "Ted, your experiences are interesting and welcome, however I was looking for more informations about boron which I'd like to share. There are many science papers about boron & rats. It was stated sterilization occurred on rats/dogs exposed to boron. 300 mg boron/kg BW/day is usually fatal to rats and around 600 mg/kg BW in single dose is fatal to rats. Based on accidental intake of boron by humans, lethal dose is guessed at 15,000 to 20,000 mg of boric acid, which equals to 3 000 mg of boron, which (70 kg person) is roughly 40 mg boron/kg BW. Looks like rat is more tolerant to boron by the ratio of 10 . Regarding to studies made, it was found that around 20 mg boron/kg BW/day is a level which does not affect testicles/health of rats. Higher boron intake leads to testicles atrophy either temporary or permanent, depends also on dosage. If 20 mg/kg BW/day is a threshold for rat, considering 10 ratio, it could be less than 2 mg/kg/day for human.
For 70 kg person, it is less than 140 mg of boron or 1400 mg of borax (safe for daily human intake). Now 1/4 teaspoon of borax is 5 ml/4 = 1,25 ml of borax or 2,000 mg of borax. Since measuring 1/4 tsp is not accurate in all cases and some people tend to take more the stuff to improve results of remedy, one can expect dosage can reach 4,000 mg/day or 2,500 mg boric acid/day. It is more than 10 % of dosage which is being lethal. It is 3 times more than safe level I guessed above. Therefore I've concerns this remedy/dosage is quite dangerous with strong damaging potential. It is also a fact people experienced side effects. Anyone can search Internet for document boron. Pdf, title 'Boron in Drinking-water', which is a comprehensive review of known facts about boron and laboratory tests on animals."
09/22/2010: Rob from Manhattan, New York replies: "Interesting information Miroslav.. Thanks.. In my experience I found just a few sips (about 4oz) from a 1/4tsp, per liter solution before bedtime, had relatively strong effects, with increased night sweating and vivid dreams along with a calmness.. My intuition told me this was enough... So I would used up the bottle over a 4 or 5 days. Though I really did like the effect it seemed to wane on the following nights. I also need to hear more positive long term results do this for any legth of time.."
09/23/2010: Ted from Bangkok, Thailand replies: "There are a couple of wrong information here. The LD50 of boric is 2.66 grams per kilogram, but not borax, but for convenience purpose in calculation I used just 2. gram per kilogram, just to be safe. The borax LD50 is LD50 for borax was 5400 mg/kg in male rats and 5000 in female rats, see Borax Pesticide fact sheet. Toxicity Category IV, Table I, Oral. The correct name for borax is sodium tetraborate decahydrate. It's molecular weight is 381.37 while it has a boron molecular weight is 10. 81. In a typical borax, there is 11.33% boron content. That means there is 4 boron molecules in a sodium tetraborate hexahydrate. The dog and rat studies on testicular atrophy is based on boron content rather then borax content or boric acid content.
So if they were to calculate that the limit of boron is 20 mg per kilogram content per dose, this would mean if I were consuming borax, to get the same amount on a per kilogram basis, I would need to consume 20/.1133 = 176 mg per kilogram per dose. This means, I weigh 70 kilograms, I would need to consume 176 mg x 70 kilogram = 12,320 mg of borax, or 12.32 grams. Assuming that one teaspoons has 4 grams per teaspoon, this would mean consuming 4 teaspoons per dose to get a testicular atrophy. In a typical dose of 1/4 teaspoon this would be only 0.25/4 x100 = 6% of the unsafe dose. Animal studies of LD50 is based on per dose, rather then per day. This means the scientist has to literally stuff the chemicals down the throat. In a typical borax diluted in one liter of water, few people actually drink this in one sitting. The likelihood from suffering from death by water intoxication of taking all 4 teaspoon would require taking 16 liters of water in one sitting.
Sorry, but I can't go into further details, regarding individual studies, I have limited time at the moment.
09/23/2010: Miroslav from Prague, Czech replies: "Ted, I'm writing the same. Except one important detail: You assume doses for rat (per body weight) can be applied to human. But I'm confident we are not rats. Possible fatal intake for adult human was found at 15 to 20,000 of boric acid (or 40 mg boron/kg BW). And as I noted before, this value was established for a reason. Rat is more tolerant to boron intake likely by a factor of 10. So this is why I'm having concerns about dosage and this is probably the reason why people are reporting adverse effects. It is also worth to warn 1 tsp of borax is not 4 g, but rather about 100 % more."
09/24/2010: Shaun from York, Uk replies: "Miroslav, Have you have got your math wrong by chance? Are you mixing up mg (milligram's) with mcg, µg or ug (microgram's) by chance? Too many folk get their '00's/'000's all mixed up (such a mix-up cause's many, many deaths in hospitals). It seems to me that Ted's arguments (and math) are very, very sound indeed. I personally must report that I have been taking Borax (a [sea salt-like dash / quantity in my porridge daily) for about 3 years, and have nothing but positives to say about it. My partner is a little bit bashful about such matters, but she would otherwise confirm this! I'm nearly 60 by the way, and go about life like a 30 year old. I would hate that folk here on Earth Clinic forego the undoubted all round benefits of borax - as I'm sure some perspicuous posters like 'Bill' and 'Alain' would also heartily attest. Tra-la! It's borax forever for me!"
09/25/2010: Ted from Bangkok, Thailand replies: "Sorry, don't have time to answer all the details, but briefly please refer to "UNITED NATIONS ENVIRONMENT PROGRAMME INTERNATIONAL LABOUR ORGANISATION WORLD HEALTH ORGANIZATION International Programme on Chemical Safety, Environment Health Criteria 204, Boron"
1.1.3 Kinetics and biological monitoring
The pharmacokinetics of boron appear to be quite similar across species in the following respects:
a) Absorption of borates is essentially complete (approximately 95% in humans and rats), and boron appears rapidly in the blood and body tissues of several mammalian species following ingestion.
b) Distribution of boron in mammals appears to occur by passive diffusion throughout the body fluids. In contrast to soft tissues and blood, bone shows selective uptake of boron (>4 times higher than serum) and significantly longer retention times.
c) Metabolism of boric acid is thermodynamically unfavourable in biological systems. Thus, the ionic species in systemic circulation are expected to be equivalent across mammals. This eliminates a major source of potential uncertainty for risk extrapolation, as interspecies differences in enzymatic pathways and/or metabolic rates do not need to be taken into consideration.
d) Elimination kinetics (especially route of elimination and terminal half-life) also appear to be similar for humans and rats. The similarities in pharmacokinetic parameters between humans and rats, the species defining the no-observed-adverse-effect level (NOAEL) for laboratory studies, reduce the uncertainty for risk extrapolation between these two species."
09/26/2010: L from Red Deer, Alberta Canada replies: "This is in response to Dave from Surrey, BC. My Genetics doctor decided last year, I'm in remission. I said, "Huh, that's funny, I've done the opposite of what you tell me. " With my kidney, liver, and heart condition, I'm told not to take potassium and magnesium. Well, I not only take those, I also take baking soda with the magnesium and potassium, once, twice, or three times a day. Additionally, I did take borax and H202, for four years. All these supplements, I started with small doses, as mentioned on earthclinic. Over time, I increased the dosages of all of these. So, I think there might be something else not quite right, going on with you:)"
06/29/2011: Joe from Atlanta, Ga, Usa replies: "It seems like boron is the culprit for long-term effects, not necessarily whether it is in acid or salt form.
Borax is about 11% boron, boric acid is about 17% boron
MINIMUM lethal dose of boric acid in human adults 15g - 20g boric acid = 2. 6 g -3. 5 g boron (This is not the LD50. LD50 is defined as the dose that kills 50% of the population, so the LD50 may be somewhat greater than this, but it certainly won't be less than this amount. )
Take a 60 kg individual and that gives 43 mg B/Kg - 58 mg B/Kg minimum lethal dose.
I'm assuming the individual who died at 15 g was 60 Kg, as well as the individual who died at 20g. FYI my fellow Americans, 60 Kg = 132 lbs.
The density of borax is 1.73 g/mL
A teaspoon is 5 mL
So 1/4 of a teaspoon gives (1.73 g/mL)*(1/4)*(5mL) = 2. 16 g = 2160 mg borax = 245 mg For a 60 kg person 245 mg B-> 4 mg B/Kg
So taking 1/4 of a teaspoon of borax gives 10% of the MINIMUM lethal dose.
Now on to the report from the European Center for Ecotoxicology and Toxicology of Chemicals (ECETOC). Report No. 63. This is available free online.
The report is quite long, so I will concentrate on two sets of findings.
First, they review the fertility effects of acute exposure to borax and boric acid, in rats. That is, a one time exposure followed by monitoring. The lowest 'No observable adverse effect level' (NOAEL) is 88 mg B/Kg. They find testicular atrophy and decreased sperm volume above that level, but reversible up to 700 mg B/Kg. Beyond that concentration, the damage was not reversible.
Second, they review the fertility effects of repeated exposure to borax and boric acid. The lowest NOAEL is 17.5 mg/Kg /day for 2 years.
Based on that second review, they calculate a tolerable daily intake (TDI) for humans. Assuming a 60 Kg person:
TDI = NOAEL * 60Kg / [(UF intraspecies)* (UF interspecies)]
They use an interspecies factor of 3, accounting for the fact that humans may not tolerate boron as well as rats, but they state that interspecies differences are expected to be small. 3 is just a large safety margin.
"The toxicokinetics of borates in man and animals is similar irrespective of the route of administration. Borates are not metabolised and so there is no potential source of variation among species, with respect to metabolic competence. The same critical effects are found in all animal species examined. "
They use an intraspecies factor of 10, to account for the fact that some humans may be far more sensitive to boron than others.
They finally arrive at a TDI = 17.5 mg/Kg/day * 60Kg / [3*10] = 35 mg B/day for fertility effects. 1/28 of a teaspoon of borax
This is based on 2 years of daily consumption, so a human could theoretically consume this amount every day for 2 years and experience no adverse fertility effects.
If we apply this same standard to the acute exposure numbers, we get:
88 mg B/Kg * 60 Kg / [3*10] = 176 mg B for fertility effects
This is over the course of a single day. 176 mg B corresponds to 1600 mg of borax or about 1/5 of a teaspoon
Some individuals may be sensitive at this level, and that may explain why some people have reported adverse effects. However, these numbers are based on very large safety margins, so the vast majority of individuals will not have any adverse effects at these levels. Unfortunately, to my knowledge, there is no test for boron sensitivity.
The LOAEL for acute exposure was between 88 and 175 mg B/Kg. Translating that to humans and using the same factors means that adverse effects from a single exposure may start somewhere between 176 mg and 350 mg B in a single day.
I've been using boron on and off at the 1/4 teaspoon per day level for 2 weeks now, and have noticed very good effects. I will post a more detailed report on my own experience later."
08/21/2011: Writert from Riverside, Ca replies: "I'm not a chemist, but in the calculations set forth on June 29, 2011 it seems the 2160 mg of borax which equals 1/4 tsp should be divided by 60 kg to get 36 mg/kg as the highest dose recommended by Ted. Which would seem to be only 1.38 % of the MINIMUM lethal dose of boron of 2.6-3.5 g which he stated. Really need to understand because I am dealing with so many health issues but really want to try to the borax regimen."
10/14/2011: Sayno2gmo from Vancouver, Bc, Canada replies: "David (Dave) from Surrey, BC Canada that posted on 02/19/2009 saying he took it for 2 weeks then got kidney, testicle, and headaches, only to try it again on 04/15/2009 for 2 days and quitting due to the pain in the same areas.
I'm really glad some of these misinformation artists are dumb. Thank you for exposing yourself Dave!
People that are researching natural remedies, just know that there are many people like this, some paid some not, trying to scare you away from trying things like this."
12/01/2012: Conniemerie from Twin Lakes, Wi replies: "Yes, indeed, there are many shills for western medicine and disinformation artists out there. In addition, too many people breast fed on western medicine do not want to take responsibility for their own health. If you do not know your body well enough, and do not listen to the signals that your body gives you then how do you expect a 3rd party (aka: the doctor) to do any better than you at healing you? alternative medicine is ALL about taking responsibility for yourself. All I know is that my body doesn't respond well to any other person's idea about cookie-cutter medicine designed to mean "one size fits all""
06/07/2013: Kimsie from Arlington , Wa replies: "In response to Joe from Atlanta, who wrote: "The density of borax is 1.73 g/mL"...
mL is a liquid measure and Borax is a powder so I don't see where you get this from. I weighed a level 1/4 teaspoon of Borax on a gram scale and it was less than 800 mg so it only has 88 mg of boron at the most, not 245 mg. Maybe some borax is more dense than mine, so if anyone is concerned they should weigh it in mg and multiply by 0.11 to find the boron content."
[SIDE EFFECTS] 02/19/2009: David from Surrey, BC Canada: "Tried borax for almost 2 weeks
Hi, I tried borax starting with about 1/32 a teaspoon and working up to 1/4 teaspoon, and I had a negative reaction to it. I only used it for about 2 weeks total, but for the last 3 weeks, since I stopped using it, I have had kidney, testicle, and head aches. The pain in my testicles and my headaches mostly stopped about a week ago, but I am still having problems with kidney pain.
Incidentally the pain decreased when I introduced calcium/magnesium in a 2:1 formula, as I knew that magnesium was good for kidney health, but the other pains continued and I just had to stop in fear of might be happening. I still am having kidney pain - only light pain now - occasionally throughout the day, especially at night when trying to sleep. I REALLY wish I hadn't tried the borax (20 mule team).
I am still looking for an alternative to the borax! As now that I think about family members, I see 3 different conditions that are probably caused by fluoride. Thanks for the information though I wish I hadn't participated in the borax 'trial'."
09/04/2009: Doug from Show Low, Az replies: "I bought the 20 mule team all ready to use it too, but I read the box and it WARNS: DO NOT TAKE INTERNALLY CONTAINS SODIUM TETRABORATE DECAHYDRATE which i assume is borax but i'm guessing that it is probably not a good grade of it. maybe try ordering some cosmetic grade."
EC: Sodium tetraborate decahydrate is one of the synonyms for Borax (aka Sodium borate decahydrate)...
02/29/2012: Lou from Tyler, Tx replies: "Doesn't cilantro and garlic pesto work for fluoride detox? Or is it heavy metals??? I think Chlorella works for fluoride.
1 clove garlic
1/2 cup almonds, cashews, or other nuts
1 cup packed fresh cilantro leaves (and smaller stems)
2 tablespoons lemon juice (a professional chef recommends just one Tbl of lemon juice)
6 tablespoons olive oil
Celtic Sea Salt to taste (www.healthfree.com is where you can order your salt)
Blend the cilantro and olive oil in a blender, add other ingredients to make a nice smooth paste, then go ahead and add some nuts and/or seeds: pistachio, cashews, almonds, pumpkin seeds, sunflower seeds, you name it. Have fun. Add it to your favorite pasta and serve warm or cold. Remember, cayenne pepper added to anything has a synergistic effect, making all the other ingredients work better. Simple fact."
12/24/2008: Mark from Silver Spring, Maryland: "I was pleased to read that there's an inexpensive way to detox from, as well as neutralize, fluoride. Haven't yet found 20 Mule Team Borax in Safeway or Giant. (I live in the Washington, DC area). What about boron supplement? 250 3mg capsules cost $4.00 online from Swanson Vitamins. If it can be substituted, what would be the dosage? Thanks for any information."Replies
12/25/2008: T from Baltimore, MD, USA replies: "Mark, my local Giant sells the 20 Mule Team borax. You should ask the manager of yours about getting some in. I don't see why they shouldn't if others in the chain do carry it. Good luck."
03/24/2010: Keshia from Bowie, Md replies: "Mark, I've been able to find 20 Mule Team borax at the Shoppers Food in Bowie."
[BETTER BUT WITH SIDE EFFECTS] 11/16/2008: James Wallace from Seattle, Washington / USA: "A few years ago I used Borax to reduce fluoride and got a rash on my hands and feet. This is a classical sign of Borax / boron poisoning (I really don't consider it a real poisoning).
Since I really liked what Borax did for me, until I got the rash,I thought if I ever find a way to get ride of the rash I must share it. Mostly because I lost about 15 pounds in 15 weeks while taking Borax (seems that's another side effect of "Borax poisoning").
The thing that worked for me was taking niacin to flush. So you don't want to use flushless niacin. 500 mg to 1000 mg does it for me. I do it as soon as I wake up for the day.
Seems the niacin flush opens the capularies wider and alows larger particles to get out of the hands and feet. The palms of the hands and the soles of the feet are where the Borax rash occurs. It takes awhile to get completely clear of the boran that acumulates there, But releaf from the rash only takes days.
Here's the interesting thing; to make the flushing of boron faster you actually have to quit the niacin until the rash comes back. Then you restart the niacin and it clears up again. In my case this worked asimetricaly. First the sole of my left foot cleared up, then my right palm. After that my right sole and then my left palm.
And now I am clear of Borax / boron poisoning. So now I can take Borax again. It did take a couple of years to get back to normal for me. But if I had figured out how to do the "use niacin for a month and quit until the rash comes backs and start niacin again" I think I could have cleared this up in four to six months.
The possible reason I might have had born acumulation is because I may have smaller capularies than other people.
I don't consider "Borax / boron poisoning" to be a real poisoning because really only the rash and the weightloss are the only side effects.
And the reason I wanted to publish this here is because I don't want any of you to be hesitent to use Borax because of my last post where I said I had gotten the boron rash. And because Borax is safe and effective."
11/17/2008: Ted from Bangkok, Thailand replies: "The only rash I have reported from borax came from Morgellon's Disease, Lyme, and Lupus that flushes out the nanoinsects and mycoplasma that lies deep into the system. It seems the use of niacin made the autoimmune disorder worse. So the rash is not a poisoning it's an autoimmunity. I still have a large box of nanoinsects where they come out on the skin, from one of the earthclinic reader, that are in the millions sitting on my desk. It killed off the nanoinsect which surfaces. The niacin is a double edged sword. In one cases the use of morgellons' got worse in another case, the taking of niacin together with borax killed the nanoinsect much faster. Therefore the rash if it is non-Mogellons, turns out to be a mycoplasma that seems to cause the joint pain.
As to the weight loss some, not all, will have that benefit from borax. The issue is if a person has low hormones or low blood boron, the supplementation of boron raises the bodys' hormones (e.g. growth hormone, sex hormone - it works like a viagra) and cause the body's metabolism to burn the fat faster. In fact boron it self is a surfactant that increases the body's hormone's efficiency even if the hormones is still low. In fact fats and oils lowers the body's hormones by blocking them, while surfactants, such as boron and lecithin helps hormones to function normally by removing the fats from blocking as it is soluble to the surfactant.
I don't support or condone the use of boron, but I find it necessary still for removal of fluoride which is a lot more toxic then boron, and still I don't use everyday either, but in conditions of autoimmune disease, Morgellon's, Lupus, these condition are very debilitating to the point that one case the debilitation lasted about two decades before the recovery is possible upon supplementation with baking soda, potassium citrate and borax.
A proper use of borax is to dissolve in one liter of water 1/8 or 1/4 teaspoon. In event of colder climates the solubility of borax maybe reduced.so it may have to be dissolved in two liter of water. What I suspect however is that borax was not dissolved in a liter to two liter of drinking water here.
The other issue if niacin if not properly used can make the condition worse in event of an autoimmunity and is not likely will be posted as a remedy and used only as a last resort , after alkalizing remedy is used, and EDTA is used. Most of the cloggings or rashes after examining if it is not nanoinsects, mycoplasma, Morgellons, and bacteria that is deep inside the body, usually existing in the joints Then hydrogen peroxide drops is used too, If those were eliminated, than what I found is the enormous calcification that occurs whenever fluoride is of high level. It's the calcium that clogs the capillaries. The counter remedy to reduce calcium (fluoride tends to increase blood calcium as is metabolic acidosis). And therefore a more useful remedy is to reduce blood calcium to normal levels using the lemon and baking soda, which is a citrate, or a more stronger disodium EDTA, pH buffered to 7.5 pH. Citrate can also chelate out the excess calcium but alkalization also reduces the leeching effects that occurs with blood acidity.
Therefore to prevent further problems of excessive blood calcium, it is often the alkalization that has to be added. A borax is never taken directly but is always diluted with plenty of water, such as a liter of water. Quite often most of the problems I have encountered with borax used is instructions were not followed, and the dose exceeded the instructions, or not understanding proper alkalization during borax use, which is required if the body already had metabolic acidosis. If blood calcium is high it is also good to use the lemon and baking soda remedy where the resulting reaction is a citrate which reduces the blood calcium too. Weight loss is often from the effects of surfactant properties in removing excessive oils that blocks normal hormone functioning that causes weight gains in some people who already had high blood fats.
06/27/2009: Lilly from Margate, Florida replies: "Just wanted to reply to the borax poisoning.. I really don't think his reaction on the hands or any part of the skin is from the Borax..I have been using it for months now from the grocery store, I love it and also use it on my girls 5 & 7. Every now and then my skin would itch for no reason almost like crawling and it would keep me up at night scratching, untill I found your site and tried it. I keep it in a tupaware in the shower, soap up a wash towel then pour the borax in the towel (no measuring) just make a mound and wash my whole body w/it...it feels sooo good and I sleep like a baby, no itching, also do the same w/my girls and my husband, it feels like exfoliating and everyone loves it here, we have had no adverse reactions except soft beautiful skin. Thanks to everyone...I love your site and read for hrs."
08/25/2011: Bev from Elroy, Wi replies: "I don't know if I can help you. I have central hypothyroidism with undetectable TSH. Besides taking Armour 2 gr. I have adrenal failure and I am on hydrocortisone. I follow the dietary recommendations of Ray Peat PhD. www.raypeat.com"
[YEA] 12/13/2007: Bev from Elroy, WI: "I had been treated with zithromax for pneumonia but what seemed to trigger the severe, sudden onset of reflux was taking 200mg of ibuprofen twice within the week for pain in my neck during that time. The ibuprofen caused a gastric ulcer since I had been on periodic courses of prednisone earlier for acute asthma which resolved after seven weeks of antibiotics. When I got the pneumonia I had no asthma but a high fever, fatigue and pain in the neck. Steroids can cause ulcers but I didn't think the effect would last that long as I was not taking any at the time. I woke up choking at night with reflux and started protonix. Stopped after about one year and since use digestive enzymes, honey, camomile, ACV with baking soda. Caution: Prevacid ia a fluoridated medication. Along with the reflux, I began severe hypothyroid symptoms I believe caused by Diflucan and Advair which are both fluoridated. Have been doing the borax detox twice a week and have reduced thyroid medication from 3 1/2 to 2 1/2 gr Armour."
[YEA] 09/11/2007: Bev from Elroy, Wisconsin: "After reading the info on fluoride on Earth Clinic I realised that the onset of my severe hypothyroid symptoms of extreme fatigue, weight gain, hair loss etc. was caused by taking repeated doses of Flucanazole to prevent yeast during repeated antibiotics for acute asthma [healed after 90 days on Zithromax]. My TSH [thyroid stimulating hormone] is less than .01 which shows hyperthyroidism so I have had a hard time finding a doctor willing to treat me. Now I know it is because the fluoride inhibits the pituitary gland from producing TSH. I live in a fluoridated community so my exposure has been long term. For several years I have had reverse osmosis water but it is very disappointing to find there is no acceptable whole house removal system. It was recommended to me to take cool showers as skin absorption is greater than drinking. I am hoping to convince our city council to drop the fluoride. I was happy to hear that borax can be used for detox. Yesterday I mixed 1/8 tsp of borax and sea salt in one L of water. During the night I awoke with a headache. By morning it was so bad that I vomited the aspirin, snack and enzymes I took to combat it. I couldn't keep anything other than sips down without dry heaves until early evening.I am thinking that is a detox reaction. I am going to hold off another day and dilute it further. I currently take Armour Thyroid and about $400 of supplements, mainly enzymes to prevent reflux, keep spinal alignment, joint stiffness, fatigue, sinus infections, constipation, hair loss and all those other nasty hypothyroid effects. I was also taking the apple cider vinegar and baking soda [about 8 days now] at the same time so may be that was too much at once with the borax. I will keep you posted on my progress. Thank you for this wonderful website."Replies
06/20/2011: Guilherme from Los Angeles, Ca, Us replies: "HI BEV, I HAVE hypothyroid LIKE YOU AND ASK IF YOU CAN HELP ME A BIT."
12/01/2012: Conniemerie from Twin Lakes, Wi replies: "Re: hypothyroid.... The herb "ginger" slows down your basal metabolic rate; there are probably others that I don't know about. Repeated lung ailments can cause the constricting of intercostal muscles with each bout so that asthma gets worse over time. You could try going to a therapeutic massage therapist to have those muscles addressed. Also, the essential oils naouli, peppermint and eucalyptus applied over your whole rib cage during a bout can open up your airways.
For psoriasis you can also take a bath with 1 cup of 35% food grade hydrogen peroxide plus 1 cup of borax and completely submerge yourself in water as hot as you can tolerate. Keep refreshing with hot water to take a bath for at least 1/2 hour. Shower off totally. Anyone that has any toxic issues should take as many antioxidants, take as many oxygen producing supplements as they can in addition to keeping their bodies in an alkaline condition.
Last, but not least.... Anyone that wants to treat themselves needs to read up on how their bodies work and what their bodies need for good health and go about learning what works best for them. Become self-reliant and stop attempting to put the onus of your health onto someone else. We're adults here; let's act like it. While it's good to ask advice; ultimately, that's all it is. You decide whether or not you'll take it."
[YEA] 09/08/2007: Pamela from City Withheld, Washington: "I have suffered with Fibromyalgia/Rosacea and TMJ for over 10 years... My first symptoms appeared shortly after I began taking Paxil. After about 8 months when I found the Paxil side effects intolerable, my doctor switched me to Prozac. Well...within 2 years, I had gained 75 pound, couldn't get my temperature to a normal 98.6 (it wouldn't budge above 96.6), broke out with a fierce case of Rosacea (skin blistering & pealing in layers off my cheeks), was chronically fatigued and suffered from TMJ symptoms.
After reading the FLUORIDE information on EarthClinc and researching the chemical formulas of the many antidepressants that I had taken over the last 10 years, I had an epiphany...My problem was FLUORIDE!!! Incidentally, the symptoms of FLUORIDE TOXICITY are the same as Fibromyalgia so it wasn't surprising to learn that FLUORIDE is the primary ingredient in MANY widely prescribed antidepressants, including PAXIL and PROZAC!!!
Without delay, I began adding 1/8 tsp of BORAX and 1/8 tsp of NATURAL (UN-bleached) SEA SALT to a liter of
DE-CLORINATED water. This regimine just happens to both neutralize the FLUORIDE and KILL the nasty mites that cause Rosacea.
I began drinking 1 liter per day for 5 days. On the 2 off days, I simply drank purified, bottled spring water.
The results were nothing short of MIRACULOUS, within two weeks my face cleared, the redness faded and best of all, my temperature normalized TO 98.6 and my energy level began to steadily increased. (Do expect the break out to get worse before it gets better as the mites die off.)
In just one month, without dieting or changing my daily routine (other than adding BORAX & SEA SALT to my drinking water), I dropped 4 pounds and I continue to drop weight at about a pound a week. I attribute this to my increased body temperature and elevated metabolism.
ALSO...when I eliminated the FLUORIDE in my toothpaste, my gums stopped swelling and bleeding and all PREVIOUS phantom tooth/jaw pain simply disappeared.
Thank you, EarthClinc and Ted...The information you shared has truely been a blessing in my life...I wholeheartedly encourage anyone that is suffering with FIBROMYALGIA, CHRONIC FATIGUE, TMJ or ROSACEA to try this simple remedy as I have had only POSITIVE results and absolutely NO SIDE EFFECTS!!!
Incidently, this BORAX & SEA SALT water is extremely ALKALINE with a pH between 8 - 9 pH."
EC: EC: We must also express our extreme gratitude to Jason Uttley for the chronic fluoride poisoning link in his article, The Cause of Fibromyalgia.
06/25/2009: Dr. Mike from Livonia, Michigan replies: "I have patients with Fibro and was wondering how long after taking the Borax solution did you experience higher energy levels and if any relief of joint pains. Also what test do you take to determine if you are clear of the Fluoride...?"
04/20/2013: Anto from Port Elizabeth, Eastern Cape, South Africa: "I've read somewhere that boric acid can cure foot odor (for a couple of years at least). I tried to find it but could only find borax. Will it do the same job as boric acid?I also purchased a eye cleanser that contains boric acid. The reason I want to know:My husband has smelly feet and it affects his whole life. We fear the moment when he is admitted into hospital for some reason (accident for example) and there's no time to wash his feet. Thanking you in advance for your response."Replies
04/20/2013: Cc from From Sea To Shining Sea replies: "Think Zinc, for stinky feet! : )"
04/21/2013: Louwrence from Rustenburg, North West, South Africa replies: "Hi Anto, Usually smelly feet is caused by candida, so do something about the candida, ootherwise it will be an ongoing problem. Get some hydrogen peroxide & spray it on his feet & it should help to kill the fungus & let him put some bicarb in his socks & shoes it helps to absorb the sweat & walk around barefoot."
[SIDE EFFECTS] 07/15/2008: Janet D. from Oklahoma City, Oklahoma: "I tried Borax remedy for my persistent fungus problem in my mouth. I tried Borax internally because Nystation didn't get rid of it ( only partly it did). I used store brand Borax, 1/8 tsp in one liter of distilled water. The first day I experienced a nasty headache all day long and at the second day, my kidney started hurting. So I had to stop taking Borax and I'll never try it again. The pain persisted 5 day after I stopped taking it. It was really scary! I read Ted's comment stating that he uses the store brand Borax when he can't find pure grade Borax. I have read most of user comment and Ted's email before I decided to try Borax remedy. I would like to post my experience about using store brand Borax so that people can least expects what can happen."Replies
11/25/2009: Lilly from Margate, Fl replies: "I just wanted to reply to any post that discredits the use of Borax (store brand), I have no complaints, aches or pains but just wanted to use the borax for my own peace of mind and study if you will, to see what would happen if I injested it and not the proper way either. I was my own guini pig, so I filled a empty vegie cap "00" with borax and took it w/a cup of water. Waited a day or so, nothing happened so I did it again, still felt no change or ill effect, I continued this for a wk and still got no ill effect or change in urine or stool, no headache, no rash, no flushing or anything, I will report back to this site w/my latest findings. I also have been taking epsom salt the same way for months and feel great, my stomach is flat finally and not bloated after any meals."
[SIDE EFFECTS] 09/01/2011: Kimmi from Park City-wichita, Ks replies: "Yesterday I tried the Borax as suggested (1/8 tsp. To 1 litre of water) and got THE WORST cramping diarrhea EVER. Today my right kidney hurts severely and my sinuses are very painful. When I eat, I have a searing pain up over my right eye, into my forehead. I'm very unhappy over this, as I was really hoping for something that would help my rosacea and the possible fibromyalgia I suffer. :(
Ohh, well.. I guess I will use the rest for laundry and around the house!"
09/09/2011: Jen from Bozeman, Mt, Us replies: "I would stick with it if I were you. I too got extreme headaches and started feeling like I was coming down with an illness. I have been taking it for 3 weeks now and on about the 3rd day I started with the headaches, naseua, extreme fatigue, dizzyness, and just generally feeling yucky. I decided to stick it out and it lasted for about 1 week to 9 days. I am feeling way better now. I think it was the detox that my body was going through. I am hoping to get rid of all of the flouride in my body and I do not want to give up. I also had some pains in my kidneys and read Ted's post about making sure to take magnesium with it. I have not had any pain since."
[BETTER BUT NOT CURED] 05/31/2008: JS from Asheville, NC: "I have been trying to get rid of a fungal infection on my feet that I have had for years. Athlete's foot and now, in the past, 2 years, severely cracked heels (a sign of fungus, I have read). The over-the-counter creams that I have used do work, but they don't work permanently: the infection just moves around and later returns.
After reading up on the many of the remedies on Earth Clinic, I decided to make up my own recipe for a foot bath. So for the past 4 days, I have done the following:
3 heaping tablespoons of borax (20 mule team) dissolved in hot water, then added to a large tupperware storage container (cheap and perfect size for 2 feet).
Add 1 cup of apple cider vinegar.
Add enough hot water to cover my the bottoms of my feet and ankles.
I soak my feet for 10-15 minutes every morning.
I can't tell you at this point if it will cure the fungal infection. What I can tell you is that after 9 minutes, I get a very powerful taste in my mouth. It is the same taste I get when I am taking supplements to detox from heavy metals. What's weird is that it happens every day at the 9 minute mark. (Coincidentally, oil pulling causes my sinuses to open at the 9 minute mark too). I think that this foot soak may be a powerful way to detox from heavy metals, particularly fluoride. I hope other people will give it a try and give me their opinions. I will report back with more results in a week or two."Replies
02/29/2012: Lou from Tyler, Tx replies: "Try coconut castile body wash for foot fungal problems. It really works!!!"
11/14/2013: Arn from Seattle: "Stop being afraid of borax. It is wonderful stuff. As has been said before, it is about as toxic as salt. Regarding purity, borax is mined just like table salt. You can't refine either one any further. Hey, try to wash them and they dissolve, fer pitty sake.
One of the neatest benefits of boron is it basically doubles your absorption rate of calcium. It is required for strong bones.
The easy way to take borax is to get some gelatin capsules from yout pharmacy or health food store and make your own borax pills. Remember to take them with a cup of water.
If you found scented borax you goofed and bought boric acid instead. Some boric acid brands are perfumed. Boric acid is not dangerous, other than the fact it is acidic. Diluted it has been used for sprains, pains, bug bites and rashes for ages.
Boric acid is the one you want to use for insect control. Ants, termites, cockroaches and the like have a waxy coating on their bodies. Even a speck of boric acid will kill them by burning a hole in the coating so they dehydrate. I suspect a dusting would do the same for bedbugs.
Any form of borax is deadly to fungus. I sprayed the inside hull of my antique wooden boat to stop dry rot. Drill a hole near the base of a fence post, pour in some borax, and plug it. The borax diffuses through the wood to stop rot."
06/01/2013: Dee from Lancashire, Great Britain: "Hi all, has anyone read the NEXUS magazine & also the borax conspiracy (Walter Last). He is a retired biochemist, chemist & toxicologist & swears by borax for just about everything. NEXUS mag is good cos it lets you about what big pharma & other dominators choose to keep from you. Nice to find a community like this where people care about health, each other & the earth rather than being greedy finding dodgy ways to extrapolate money & destroy what little planet we have left.
07/14/2013: Jenny from Brisbane, Australia replies: "Hi Dee, I read Nexus all the time and can't recommend it enough. Anyone who wants to know the real news behind the news on TV and in the newspapers should read it. I also read the article on Borax and that is what started me off on my investigations of this product. There has also been an amazing article on D3 in the latest issue June/July.
Best of health to all, Jenny"
10/01/2012: Maria from New Jersey, New York: "To All E/C readers, there was an old posting mentioned that Borax 20 Mule contains fragrance/scent. Here is what dial had to say about it.
"Thank you for taking the time to contact us regarding 20 Mule Team Borax.
This product does not contain a fragrance.
Consumer Affairs ""
08/06/2012: Susan from New York: "bill from san fernando, can you check this link below to see if this is the right borax for the earthclinc readers. the 20 mule brand borax has added fragrance to the borax. it might not be pure.
08/06/2012: Bill from San Fernando, Philippines replies: "The link shows technical grade borax which is good enough to use. I also use technical or chemical grade borax for supplementation and I've used it in the daily amounts as advised by Ted for many years. And if you buy 1 lb of borax -- this will last you for years because you only use fairly small amounts anyway on a daily basis.
I also note that borax is sold as boron in health shops -- usually at a pill dosage of 3 to 6 mgs a day. Boron or borax is the same stuff -- sodium tetraborate. That pill dosage may well successfully recover an arthritic mouse or help a rat suffering from rampanat candida, but this small dosage will have little beneficial effect on humans. Another example of the ridiculously low and useless RDA dosages promoted by Codex Alimentarius."
08/07/2012: Carly from Seattle, Wa - Usa replies: "Hi Bill, How many mg a day of boron would you recommend for human consumption? I have been taking 3mg a day, but am wondering what the upper limit would be.
I really love reading your posts!
Thank you. :)"
08/08/2012: Bill from San Fernando, Philippines replies: "Hi Carly... The normal RDA health dosage for boron is between 3 mgs and 6 mgs. Personally, I think that this dosage is way to small if you are trying to cure problems like arthritis or candida or trying to detox Fluoride from your body.
Boron is the same as Sodium Tetraborate --which is borax. If you buy boron tablets from a health shop and look at the constituents on the back -- it will say that it contains so many mgs of sodium tetraborate or borax per tablet. I don't know why they call it boron since boron can never exist in its free state.
The dosage I use is Ted's recommended 1/4 teaspoon borax(for men) in a liter of water and I just drink that throughout the day. Women should use a dosage of 1/8 tspn of borax in a liter of water. Take this for 5 consecutive days then take 2 days rest from the protocol and continue like this on a weekly basis.
Ted also recommends using just 20 mule Team Borax for your borax needs but this is up to you. But I can't buy this in the Philippines -- so I have to use chemical grade borax instead."
08/08/2012: Carly from Seattle, Wa - USA replies: "Thank you for the information Bill, I appreciate it. I have been taking 3mg of boron a day, every day.... but it seems to not be working as well as it had been.
I use _______ Boron Chelate in capsule form, and the bottle doesn't list sodium tetraborate on the ingredients - it just says: Boron (as Boron amino acid chelate) 3mg. Other Ingredients: Cellulose, Gelatin (Capsule).
Anyway - I think I will up it to 6mg a day (and take the two days off every week suggested) and see if that does the trick.
Thanks again for your time. :-)"
07/26/2012: The Old Soul from Lancaster, Uk: "Can anyone tell me if Borax Powder BP (Boric Oxide) is suitable for the cures you talk about. If so at what dilution? Thanks, The Old Soul"